Serious question

[rsp57]

If you were able to buy a x- factory 99 16v engine (yes the belt drive type) and a straight cut gearbox, how much do you think it would be worth or would you be prepaired to pay for such an item? The items are almost new with no competition use.

[GRMPer]

It depends.

It's got some pluses and minuses:

Pluses:
rare
cool

minuses
hard to ship
only valuable to the whackjobs like us who like old Saabs. Here in the states, that's like 6 people.

those last two make it hard to say it'll go for tons of money, because honestly, it'll cost a bunch to ship.

[Geoff]

My opinion is that the gearbox is worth a few thousand $ US depending on what it has (price depending on the components). Does it only have the gears (are they the S&R set or the works set?) or is it the ring and pinion and the limited slip and the 4 chain primary, etc.? That would effect the cost. A few years back there was a 16v turbo 900 works car in Sweden that sold for under $10,000 US. It included a gearbox with the works gearset, big ring and pinion, 4 chain primary, limited slip, etc. Also included was a full functioning rally car with a cage (which needed updates), a built up 16V turbo engine, aftermarket FI, larger brakes, big turbo, full rally suspension, and some other goodies.

The engine is really neat but at least for those of us in the US it really isn't worth much for competition because only one of our sanctioning bodies has a Historic class and it isn't governed by any rules stating that homologated components must be used. Plus apparently the 16V B engine head isn't all that efficient. People in the US Historic class are responsible for approving other Historic class cars use of components and they can be used so long as the modification could have been done at the time. I think 16v engines from newer cars have been used in the class because the manufacturer had a rare 16v homoligated head and the fellow competitors agreed that using the more available engine/head is equivalent. The interest is in keeping the costs reasonable for competitors while still getting old cars out on the stages (they of course have to meet current safety regulations). With that said, the 16v engine is sort of more of a museum or show piece for us, though someone in a country who has to comply with homoligation rules in their Historic class may be willing to pay a good amount of money for it. There was a fellow in Sweden that a few of us corresponded with who had a 16v B engine head that he was contemplating selling but the price seemed very high.

[Sean Tennis]

Is everything assembled, or in parts -- Fuel injected or Carburated, does engine have header... are things complete -- bolt in and go or???

[rsp57]

Guys i know the engine is not worth having if you are a serious competitor but i'm trying to establish a price guide to purchace the unit. It is a full factory rally engine and transmission from Stig Blomqvist's 77 99ems. It is rated at 220hp and was brought here as a spare when he competed. It never returned to the factory. It has been fitted into a 75 ems road car and has been driven about 200km. This is a piece of SAAB history and as such it must be worth owning but at what price?

[steve99w]

Guys i know the engine is not worth having if you are a serious competitor but i'm trying to establish a price guide to purchace the unit. It is a full factory rally engine and transmission from Stig Blomqvist's 77 99ems. It is rated at 220hp and was brought here as a spare when he competed. It never returned to the factory. It has been fitted into a 75 ems road car and has been driven about 200km. This is a piece of SAAB history and as such it must be worth owning but at what price?

And i thought i was one of a few who new the wereabouts of this car !!! so do we know each other?
What state are you in?
This should be used in competition...only

[Sean Tennis]

It is just the spare power unit and no parts... In a regular car or prepared car???

Last 16v EMS I know of that sold was offered at 11,000 USD, not the original factory shell...engine was carburated.

Does this help?

A decent power unit could be worth some $$$ to the right person, problem is it's a small market, not Escort BDA..., that aside does the seller have an idea of what he/she would like or are they asking you to make offer?

Is it running now, can you test drive...

Trying to help!

[rsp57]

Thanks Sean, The car is a road car. You may not think so ,but you have helped heaps.

[Sean Tennis]

The car I spoke of had been rolled and reshelled, then rallied again, it had parts from factory rally shell transferred to new shell but was not a full prepared shell -- in other words not fully reinforced etc. according to the person that had it and was involved in running it.

I would be interested to here what the out come is of you venture on this subject, also I could make some inquiries with some contacts and see if they have any input on value/s, I would probably need some more details for the contacts!

Let me know if you would like me to pursue.

[Geoff]

If the car Sean is talking about is the same one I am thinking of the transaction took place in 1998 and included a spare transmission (might have been the S&R setup, not the full works setup?) and spare complete 16v head (and possibly engine too). It is now in the SAAB Museum in Sweden.